Game 87

[dageraad]

When are you going to put those blue dots on the map in Southern Russia?

 

That will be after they turn up in the RWE

[Falco]

- Falco is back to his poetry,so Transjordan is doing fine. He has gained a solid foothold in eastern Algeria, which looks impressive on the map. Algeria seems unfazed. "we're sucking them into Stuka range".

 

First of all, charge of the light brigade is a beautiful piece of work. And it was very impressive to see how Russian fighters cannot compete with even very heavily damaged British tech fighters.

 

Lucky for me, OR NOT, is that the part of Algeria which is in my hand really means nothing at all. Desert with just some nomadic tribes, been there, done that, it's the same in Libya and Egypt. Still a long way to go to get to the real production centres. And Des just keeps moving his planes around, leaving it up to me to find them all again, in the huge emptiness of Algeria.

[Earthling]

When are you going to put those blue dots on the map in Southern Russia?

 

That will be after they turn up in the RWE

 

There has been no RWE reports of the yellow team in Northern Russia.......

[dageraad]

There has been no RWE reports of the yellow team in Northern Russia.......

 

You are right, there are none. The original idea behind the map was to show only the cities in the RWE, to let the players on the forum know what's happening. After 20 turns or so I tried to provide something of a frontline that can be derived from it. That frontline is but an approximation. When is a line a front line? There are a lot of places in all of Russia that are still Russian. Should I colour those white?

 

The only blue island in Southern Russia that I know of is xYershov. As far as I know xYershov is empty, It has no population and no known armies and you cannot reach it by rail movement. Is it still part of a "front"? Last turn I took the province of Totma from Finland. It is on the border with Northern Russia, to the North-East of Yoshkarola. That Yellow island in blue territory is not on the map either, as It is no "front". xSmolensk was in Persian hands for about 10 turns. It did not show up on the map either.

 

xKozolma is an exeption because it shows up on the RWE. I show it on the map as a yellow island city in the blue sea, because everyone can see that the city was not taken by a regular attack. Just like xBlida in Algeria.

[Earthling]

There has been no RWE reports of the yellow team in Northern Russia.......

 

You are right, there are none. The original idea behind the map was to show only the cities in the RWE, to let the players on the forum know what's happening. After 20 turns or so I tried to provide something of a frontline that can be derived from it. That frontline is but an approximation. When is a line a front line? There are a lot of places in all of Russia that are still Russian. Should I colour those white?

 

The only blue island in Southern Russia that I know of is xYershov. As far as I know xYershov is empty, It has no population and no known armies and you cannot reach it by rail movement. Is it still part of a "front"? Last turn I took the province of Totma from Finland. It is on the border with Northern Russia, to the North-East of Yoshkarola. That Yellow island in blue territory is not on the map either, as It is no "front". xSmolensk was in Persian hands for about 10 turns. It did not show up on the map either.

 

xKozolma is an exeption because it shows up on the RWE. I show it on the map as a yellow island city in the blue sea, because everyone can see that the city was not taken by a regular attack. Just like xBlida in Algeria.

 

Your maps are AWESOME! AND the work you put into them is very much appreciated.......I really wasn't trying to criticize, but rather throw some propaganda out there and I did a poor job of it ~ see why I don't like propaganda? I am very bad at it! I should have never posted anything at all......

[Kurassier]

- Tunisia is encountering "some minor logistical problems" in its efforts to liberate xNizwa.

Don't mean to be technical, but 'Tunisia' has never tried to liberate xNizwa, nor was it a goal of 'Tunisia'. and actually, our logistics are quite simple at the moment.

and to Falco's charge, we just figured that if we flew, we would take out some Spits, which we did, but otherwise would just die when xChambi fell. Decision was easy, since either way they die.

[dageraad]

They died with their boots on.

I can testify to the fact that Russian fighters can do more than hold their own against British tech.

[Guest Spongebob]

Did anyone watch my show yesterday????? NO!!! WHY THE HELL NOT! It was very very funny

[dageraad]

They died with their boots on.

I can testify to the fact that Russian fighters can do more than hold their own against British tech.

 

.... or American tech

[Falco]

They died with their boots on.

I can testify to the fact that Russian fighters can do more than hold their own against British tech.

 

.... or American tech

 

But holding out against, or having far superior numbers, those are two completely different things. You stopped and killed lots of American tech Icelandic units due to there being 50 fighters on interception, while he came flying in with some small forces (OK, for Iceland they might not have been small forces). Why don't you try flying your fighters into real fighter cover, 50 FW A-8 or 50 Spitfire Mark VIII and see whats left of those flying rustbuckets. If Iceland would've had lots and lots of P-51D, you wouldn't have been happy either (tip for Iceland: More P-51D. And don't start answering that you have them, I meant more! No, even more than that). And then send them to bomb Persia, escorted by another P-51D wing.

[Earthling]

They died with their boots on.

I can testify to the fact that Russian fighters can do more than hold their own against British tech.

 

.... or American tech

 

But holding out against, or having far superior numbers, those are two completely different things. You stopped and killed lots of American tech Icelandic units due to there being 50 fighters on interception, while he came flying in with some small forces (OK, for Iceland they might not have been small forces). Why don't you try flying your fighters into real fighter cover, 50 FW A-8 or 50 Spitfire Mark VIII and see whats left of those flying rustbuckets. If Iceland would've had lots and lots of P-51D, you wouldn't have been happy either (tip for Iceland: More P-51D. And don't start answering that you have them, I meant more! No, even more than that). And then send them to bomb Persia, escorted by another P-51D wing.

 

They are all on fighter cover right now.....may have to retask at this point. This is the first time I/We have encountered any FC from Persia.

[Duke of York]

That won't work. The escorting P-51's will completely shield the bombing P-51's and the latter won't shoot at the intercepters. You might be able to reduce the amount of escorts so the bombers will start taking damage in which case they will shoot back. But fighters used as bombers seem to have a greatly reduced ATA capability so I doubt that will increase your kills by a lot.

 

In any case, the Yak-3 is a very respectable fighter. It's main problem is it's short range, and the fact that it comes 13 turns later than it's British and German counterparts. But if they meet in the air it's an almost equal fight. And it's cheaper than it's counterparts.

 

The problem with the Russian fighters is that everything before the Yak-3 can't live up with the German and especially British fighters. But they're not as crap as the American ones, although the Americans at least have reasonable to very good range.

 

And let's be honest, getting T-34's in turn 17 needs to be compensated somewhere else.

[Falco]

That won't work. The escorting P-51's will completely shield the bombing P-51's and the latter won't shoot at the intercepters. You might be able to reduce the amount of escorts so the bombers will start taking damage in which case they will shoot back. But fighters used as bombers seem to have a greatly reduced ATA capability so I doubt that will increase your kills by a lot.

 

In any case, the Yak-3 is a very respectable fighter. It's main problem is it's short range, and the fact that it comes 13 turns later than it's British and German counterparts. But if they meet in the air it's an almost equal fight. And it's cheaper than it's counterparts.

 

Rustbuckets, all of them.

 

True about the bombers with escort, but having 24 FE, with 25 F-B, would mean a 50 FC would not be stopped, thus the F-B would start shooting. 49 vs 50 would be a nice start for reducing the number of fighters the rest of the wings will encounter. And no, the Yak-3 isn't bad, costwise it's the best, but the spitfire just wins the comparison (get it earlier, if it was 4 airpoints cheaper the effectiveness would have been the same, more range). German planes are really expensive, compared to the others. American P-51 are expensive as fighter, less than the Germans, and make up for it by being effective bombers with an unbelievable range. But does that range help them in being better fighters? Most of my bombers don't travel more than 8 , max 10, so an MCR of 9 is enough. The 18 range only helps if you use them as bombers. IT also doesn't help for FC, max 10 locations and effectiveness goes down when range grows.

[Earthling]

IT also doesn't help for FC, max 10 locations and effectiveness goes down when range grows.

 

So....you are saying the P51's are terrible for FC? I disagree.

[Falco]

IT also doesn't help for FC, max 10 locations and effectiveness goes down when range grows.

 

So....you are saying the P51's are terrible for FC? I disagree.

 

Nah, you're not reading. Range over 10 is wasted for FC and wasted for FE. It just serves to make them better bombers. But the discussion was about fighters, not bombers.